10/04/2026
I’ve been excited to listen to this new podcast by two of my favorite thought leaders, and . I’ve always loved how they are both so skilled at taking complex topics and making them tangible. At the same time, they are grounded in research and data around the very human topics they explore.
They revisit their old rivalry, which grew from snap judgments about each other’s beliefs based on only brief glimpses of their work rather than its full context.
Out of the gates this new podcast gives us what I believe the world is desperately needing right now - a model of how to disagree respectfully, how to repair with an authentic apology, and how to explore complex questions without rushing to a simplified conclusion.
It takes real strength to let new insight change your mind. This podcast feels like a great example of the tricky balance of compassionate accountability.