01/09/2026
New What’s the Schemata? Podcast Drop! 🎙️
Episode 69: Back to the Future: Schema Therapy, CBT and What’s Next?
This one was really fun.
Chris Hayes and I were joined by Dutch CBT, Imagery and Schema clinical researcher Julie Krans, PhD, to explore the interface between Schema Therapy, modern CBT and clinical science.
It also had me reflecting a little on my own journey.
Like many Schema Therapists, I started within the CBT model. In many ways, that grounding was what allowed me to appreciate what Schema Therapy added—and why it was so powerful.
But perhaps we sometimes think about that journey as moving from CBT to Schema Therapy.
What if we looked at it differently?
How can developments in modern CBT help us become better Schema Therapists? And how can Schema Therapy contribute back to CBT?
We get into some fascinating emerging work around schema modes within CBT, Imagery Rescripting, exposure, anxiety and OCD, including what might be possible when we stop thinking about our therapy models as separate camps and start looking more closely at where they intersect. The episode links to several recent studies from Julie and colleagues exploring exactly these questions.:
https://schematherapytraining.com/podcast-whats-the-schemata/2026/8/23/episode-69-back-to-the-future-schema-therapy-cbt-and-whats-next
A bit of Back to the Future—looking back at where we came from to think about where Schema Therapy might be heading next.
Plenty of cool learnings in this one.
🎧 Episode 69 is out now:
Listen to Back to the Future: Schema Therapy, CBT and What's Next?